southbankbornnbred
12:18 Wed Jun 5
Re: Joshua v Ruiz
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NS - yes, of course it gets harder to dance around the heavier you are. But dancing like Ali is not the only sign of good footwork. It's not just about the speed of your footwork, it's where and how you place your feet (when you punch, when you're set in your jab-stance and when you're defending). Particularly when you're having to defend. Foot speed is one thing - and few heavyweights "float like a butterfly", but foot movement and foot placement - they are very different. Joshua gets himself into some poor shapes in the ring. His footwork is awkward and far from second-nature.
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Northern Sold
12:12 Wed Jun 5
Re: Joshua v Ruiz
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sbbb... you talking about poor footwork... very few HW's over the years have danced around a ring like Ali...
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Northern Sold
12:11 Wed Jun 5
Re: Joshua v Ruiz
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Exactly... I can only think of one HW Champ that was not beaten (Marciano) ... Lewis's and Ali's legacy was not dented with their losses.... it's how they come back... let's see what he's made of now...
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southbankbornnbred
12:10 Wed Jun 5
Re: Joshua v Ruiz
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Hard to argue that Joshua has a "glass jaw" though: he has been rocked in fights before Saturday (VK, Whyte etc), and always came through that to win.
He has a decent enough chin and seems to have some powers of recovery (VK, Whyte) which he didn't show last weekend.
His bigger problem is his poor movement/footwork which can never get him out of trouble. He started as a boxer very late and has spent far less time in the ring (practice or otherwise) than most boxers of his age - so his ring-craft is poor. When he gets tagged, for example, he doesn't seem to have an instinct which gets him to move away from trouble in order to clear his head for those vital few seconds. He just moves in straight lines and keeps getting hit.
His poor footwork will always be a problem for him. It can be improved, but he is well behind the curve for a professional boxer - because he started so late. His movement is not natural.
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12:08 Wed Jun 5
Re: Joshua v Ruiz
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Ruiz got decked by Joshua and it was a first in the Mexican’s career.
The return will have a lot of interest especially as both men are capable of putting one another on the canvas.
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Council Scum
12:04 Wed Jun 5
Re: Joshua v Ruiz
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People get knocked down in sparring every day and you'd be hard pushed to find any heavy that hasn't been put on his arse.
When you are getting repeatedly hit by a heavy you will go down from time to time, but going down and having a glass jaw two completely different things.
There is no shame in getting put down by a big puncher, Fury has been put down by a big puncher, he's also been put on his arse by a shit puncher as well, no one says he has a glass jaw though.
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southbankbornnbred
11:59 Wed Jun 5
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I remember a pretty well-known boxer boasting to me (during an interview) that he knocked down a very good world champion during sparring.
When I inquired about it with others, during a quiet moment, it turned out that it was entirely true. This decent boxer had indeed knocked down (and probably KO'd) the excellent world champion.
But it came after the world champion had already sparred with two other decent boxers the same day - and was experimenting with new tactics (he was practicing circling away from his opponents right-cross) by moving in the same direction.
He got caught, he went down.
It was training. It didn't happen again.
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southbankbornnbred
11:55 Wed Jun 5
Re: Joshua v Ruiz
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Joshua has now given a video interview in which he states categorically that he had no panic attack, that he didn't eat contaminated food etc. Dismissed all the post-fight conspiracy theories.
He just said he had a bad day at the office and has to get better - and that the blame is entirely his.
I like that he's not making excuses. He's a flawed boxer, all the heavyweights are at the moment, but he brings some dignity to the sport. Hope he wins the belts back for that alone.
ps - those going on about fighters getting knocked down in sparring. You're right on one level - Joshua has been knocked down by the likes of David Price in sparring. But THAT's precisely the time to get knocked down: when you're experimenting with different approaches and working on your weaknesses. The point of sparring is to get better - it's not designed to be a flawless process. Trainers plan fighters' sparring sessions to make them more challenging - sometimes even asking them only to throw right hands etc or to move in one direction etc. That's when you get hit and you get used to getting hit. It's normal. You also tend to spar against several people on the same day - so you are more knackered than them: it improves your fitness.
The plan was not to get walloped by the fat Mexican (who I like, I have to say). That's where it went badly wrong for Joshua. Not in training or sparring.
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Crassus
11:35 Tue Jun 4
Re: Joshua v Ruiz
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That aside, AJ is a powerful lad with a dig and can finish well, but as a boxer he is fatally flawed, his movement is poor - plenty been saying so on here too, that was a defeat waiting to happen
There is no outstanding HW about right now, so he may return as a champion again but he isn't a Lennox Lewis
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Crassus
11:32 Tue Jun 4
Re: Joshua v Ruiz
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Canelo was busted, after he beat GGG
Blamed it upon Mexican meat, they feed their cattle steroids down there and that's his excuse
Interesting that he never trains outside Mexico mind....
The sport is bent, run by villians, always has and always will be - too much money associated through the purses and gambling
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Charoo
8:40 Tue Jun 4
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Joshua’s physique is not a steroid physique, he hasn’t got over developed traps, he hasn’t got massive lats or an over developed upper chest.
He looks nothing like a bodybuilder.
He has long muscle belly’s, is very lean and his physique is athletic - that’s just genetics.
Now I’m not saying that he has never run anything or isn’t on something, I don’t believe he is but I don’t know, but his physique is not a gear physique in my opinion.
He is actually quite small considering his height a bodybuilder of that height juiced would be more 22 stone plus.
It is astonishing how many heavyweights have tested for juice, people forget that Tyson and Hughie test + for Nandrolone.
The testing is pretty rigorous and if he AJ is juicing it will catch up with him.
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yogib
7:46 Tue Jun 4
Re: Joshua v Ruiz
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Rematch confirmed on Sky for Nov or Dec
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sand iron
2:37 Tue Jun 4
Re: Joshua v Ruiz
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A lot of young lads when they first start to get into training (was Joshua a gym goer, weight trainer before he got into boxing?) get into steroids/growth hormones from an early age.
Joshua hasn’t got a typical heavyweights frame, most trainers discourage fighters using too many heavy weights anyway. Looking at his physique, you wouldn’t be surprised.
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Mr Anon
2:30 Tue Jun 4
Re: Joshua v Ruiz
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Golden Oldie 2:26 Tue Jun 4
Re: Joshua v Ruiz
Why would someone built like Anthony Joshua need testosterone?
heard of a horse and cart?
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Golden Oldie
2:26 Tue Jun 4
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Why would someone built like Anthony Joshua need testosterone?
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zebthecat
2:21 Tue Jun 4
Re: Joshua v Ruiz
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The steroids taken for Asthma under a TUE are corticosteroids NOT anabolic.
They suppress overactive immune response and have none of the muscle building/recovery effects that anabolics are used for.
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sand iron
2:16 Tue Jun 4
Re: Joshua v Ruiz
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G O if that’s correct then it’s outrageous really isn’t it. Steroid use in sport, especially a contact sport like boxing should carry a lifetime ban.
Boxers that are doing it clean are at a massive disadvantage against a juiced up fighter, in fact it's dangerous.
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Golden Oldie
2:11 Tue Jun 4
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*It's actually under Therapeutic Usage Exemption
You can hear Dillian Whyte discussing AJs protection with this in several of his interviews (not the ones with IFL mind)
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Golden Oldie
2:09 Tue Jun 4
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sand iron
I touched on this earlier, before being so rudely interrupted...
Look up Therapeutic Exemption Usage for British athletes, you'd be quite amazed how many pro-runners, cyclists, and some boxers [AJ is named in there] are afforded exemptions due to "asthma" and the like, essentially they are permitted to take the drugs under UK jurisdiction, which isn't always recognised overseas such as this last one in the US.
It's a trick that Eddie Hearn knows all too well when he stitched Billy Joe Saunders up.
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sand iron
2:04 Tue Jun 4
Re: Joshua v Ruiz
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BREAKING:
Anthony Joshua 's father has publicly stated that Joshua suffered a panic attack in his dressing room before the fight, delaying his ring walk. His Father asked Eddie Hearn to call the fight off as Joshua didn't look well and his father felt something was wrong
Anxiety & panic attacks are common side affects with long term steroid users, more so when they break the cycle & begin to withdraw, withdrawal also causes fatigue & low motivation.
How frequent do professional boxers get tested over here then, anyone know? The rumours surrounding Joshua have been doing the rounds for a few years, (no smoke without fire??) but how on earth is he managing to get away with it ‘IF’ he is taking liberties?
If it turns out he has been juicing, then getting toned up the other night is poetic justice really.
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zebthecat
1:53 Tue Jun 4
Re: Joshua v Ruiz
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It sure would explain a lot if Joshua really had been knocked out in sparring a few days before the fight.
A bit scary too if true as you would have thought boxing, of all sports, would have proper concussion protocols.
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